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cone question

Postby David B » Thu Feb 11, 2010 7:26 pm

Around 1980 bought a Marshall slant cab circa '73 loaded with T1221 25 watt greybacks.
AFAIK that era sport mostly 102/3 cones but mine have 1777 handwritten on the cones, anyone know if is this conclusive of a recone or are there other things to look for ?
I later blew one up :oops: New England Speaker reconed it with a 444.



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Re: cone question

Postby 908ssp » Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:56 pm

73 through 74 was the transition years. I have seen gray back speakers with 1777 and 444 cones. I think they used both Pulsonic and Rola cones for quite quite a while.
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Re: cone question

Postby David B » Sat Feb 13, 2010 10:50 pm

Thanks for the info Alex. The remaining three cones look original but I wasn't 100% sure , most 1777 in the cab database & elsewhere seem to occur in the mid seventies.
I had seen a comment somewhere maybe Plexi Palace that some greys had no cone codes whatsoever.
btw this cab is on the database listed as model 1960 circa 1973 speakers are G12M T1221 25 watter grey KF4, I left the cones blank as I wasn’t sure of the authenticity but it wouldn’t hurt to add.
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Re: cone question

Postby David B » Sun Jan 25, 2015 8:15 pm

After reading this its possible I have original unstamped pulsonic cones that have 1777 hand written on them..Also possible they're RIC cones.

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Re: cone question

Postby David B » Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:36 am

BTW check out the Identifying lash-up speakers article...http://www.bygonetones.com/fake-pre-rolas.html
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Re: cone question

Postby dai h. » Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:26 pm

nice links. Muchos gracias.
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Re: cone question

Postby David B » Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:31 am

It goes it great detail on the appearance of the various cones, after closer examination of my 1973 greyback I would say they are likely RIC cones. Though not easy to determine from my crappy pictures you can see the color is somewhat different but more obvious is that the ribs are very different...

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RIC?
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Re: cone question

Postby dai h. » Thu Jan 29, 2015 5:07 pm

ribs maybe look a bit more distinct in the top pic (to my *very* untrained eye--I don't have much of a clue about speakers :oops: ). The article mentions a stamp, so...is there one present?
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Re: cone question

Postby David B » Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:11 pm

Yep the Pulsonic cones have more pronounced ribs compared to RIC and Kurt Muller cones. Are you referring to the circular stamp on the frame next to the T1221 code? If so then yes those are there and visible in the pictures.
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Re: cone question

Postby dai h. » Fri Jan 30, 2015 6:47 pm

David, in the "'RIC' stamped cones" segment of the article, there are a couple of pictures, and two of them show a stamp on the backsides of the cones which include "RIC" in the code (pics below) :

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Re: cone question

Postby David B » Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:10 pm

Dai,

Sorry I misunderstood, the cone number 1777 is hand written on my greybacks which according to the article could happen from late 1973 to late 1975..

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This is from my basket weave cab with the more common cone code stamp.
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Re: cone question

Postby dai h. » Fri Jan 30, 2015 8:54 pm

so the suspect grey back only has the handwritten "1777" and no "RIC..." stamp, I take it?
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Re: cone question

Postby David B » Sat Jan 31, 2015 8:55 am

That is correct, all four have uh had that 1777 hand written as the one pictured , I blew one up some years ago and now it sports a 444 cone...

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Re: cone question

Postby David B » Tue Sep 15, 2015 5:46 pm

Some cool pics of the old factory at Thames Ditton

http://www.bygonetones.com/home/the-fer ... mes-ditton
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Re: cone question

Postby dai h. » Wed Sep 16, 2015 12:46 pm

thx Dave 8)
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